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philipp
03.09.2014, 10:38
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Original RPR article:http://rolexpassionreport.com/15606/the-evolution-of-rolex-luminous/

Wie immer sind meine Posts in englisch, vielleicht das Percy wieder ne Deutsche Übersetzung für Luxify macht ;)

A lot has already been written about the impact of the luminous used in wristwatches. In specific the turn from using radium to tritium has been discussed in length on vintage Rolex Forums. Today I don't want to debate the dangers of early radium nor the legal impact radiation had for the swiss watch companies. I merely want to make a general overview that's useful for Rolex collectors to understand the differences of luminous, their used time period, the influence it had on the condition of the dial and what typical details one has to look for when analyzing a vintage Rolex. As you could have read earlier in my Buyers Guide, the luminous in general I see as a "Moisture Meter" or more specific, a "Condition Meter" of which you can determine what has happened inside a Rolex during it's life. As long as you don't inhale early radium pre 1953, there's no need to panic, you can wear your vintage Rolex as often as you want, even James Bond knows...

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At first I like to start with the overview of the approximate date of luminous used by the Rolex Company:


Prior - 1953, The early age of Rolex luminous, used on their pocket watches, early oyster cases, bubble backs and radiomir Panerai's.
1953 - 1956, When Rolex introduced the world their sports / utility / tool watch concept with radium Submariner, TOG, Explorer & GMT Master.
1957 - 1960, When Rolex lowered radiation and chanced dial printing from 1 to 2 colored print and enhanced the lacquer to a more glossy variant.
1960 - 1963, The pre 'Transitional" period with "Exclamation" mark and due to the starting international regulation, again less radioactive luminous.
1963 - 1964, "Transitional" underline of which Rolex switched from Radium to Trtium, delivered dials are "swiss" signed but laminated with tritium.
1964 - 1967, The new generation tritium luminous got added on glossy dials, signing chanced from "Swiss" to "Swiss - T<25" & "T-Swiss-T".
1967 - 1983, The matte dial with tritium luminous got introduced by Rolex. We see tritium signings variations like T Swiss T<25 or σ T-Swiss-T σ.
1983 - 1997, The last era of the tritium dials when the glossy dial surface came back, now the luminous was added in a added white gold surround.
1998- 2000, LumiNova was invented in 1993 and patented in 1995; Nemoto & Co. Ltd. was contracted in 1998 to provide LumiNova to Switzerland.
2000 - 2008, Super Luminova, a improved version of Luminova, a material that has the same properties as tritium but is not radioactive.
2008 - now, Chroma Light, the new blue-ish colored Super Luminova thats been in use since Rolex patented it.


The early aged radium dials from the 20-ies and 30-ies where merely fitted on a emaille surface, using strong first generation Radium that by then not known that it could be dangerous. In contraire, radium drinks where sold to cure health issues but soon this chanced after the tragic story about the Radium Girls. For the Rolex collectors under us, the period that started at Rolex from 1953, is one of the most interesting time phrases for aficionado's. The Turn O Graph Ref. 6202, Submariner Ref. 6204 & 6205 and later the Big Crown Ref. 6200 are the beginning of the since then ever lasting legendary tool - sports watch concept..

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What we see in above and in below pictures are first generation Rolex Sports models. In many cases the radium luminous has turned greenish when moisture - condense came into the case as you can see above. In below Submariner ref 6200 you can clearly see that the radium dust is covered over the dial, mostly around the radium plots. One of the characteristics of these early sport dials is the fact the they have a 1 color print and a lacquer finish thats not as shinny as we see in later examples. The radium dust, one never must inhale, leave small stains on the surface of the dial. In below picture you can also clearly see the transparant paste in the hands that was added before the radium luminous came on top.

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2 x Submariner Big Crown but both very different in detail. First is a 1954 Ref 6200 with later added "Submariner" at 6 O'clock, secondly we see a 1958 Ref 6538 with 4 line dial, besides the depth rate and Submariner, this version has a OCC ( Official Certified Chronometer ) movement.

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Up close a early Ref 6204 with black "Honeycomb" dial, split logo ( Submariner & Perpetual) pencil hands and slightly visible, the OCC sign at 6 o'clock. The radium dust has slightly eaten the dial surface. The missing luminous in the second hand has been spread around the dial. Moisture made the pencil hands inside turned dark as well as the plots on the dial greenish.

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Next we see a first generation Big Crown Ref. 6538. You notice that the depth rate ( 200M = 660Ft ) and the Submariner print are both in 1 color! Another typical detail we see is the 6 o'clock marker being more bright then the rest of the radium plots. Most probably this marker is a special mix of radium for easier underwater readability.

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Detail comparison: Left and middle version are both early 6538's with 1 color print, there where the right one is having a 2 color print ( for depth rate & OCC)

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Next to each other, second and first generation Rolex Big Crown's. Clearly visible is the different finish that covers the dials, there where the later left one is all shinny and glossy is the right one of first generation. A lot of research I've done on these Submariner Big Crown's and my standard procedure was to measure the dial with a geiger meter. From the results I can inform you that the radiation between first & second generation 6538's is significant, depending on the condition of the luminous of as well the dial and hands, the later glossy versions where at least 5 times less radio active, hence the better condition you find them now.

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Close up of a fully in tact radium 6 o'clock Explorer ref 6350 marker from 1953...

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Comparison: You will notice that the graphic chanced over the years with the later version we see on the right. The Submariner text has become more modern.

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A typical detail you hardly see at any pictures on the internet is the unique patina of the glossy dial surface. The to each glossy Rolex dial unique tiny cracks are only visible when you play with the light. Furthermore we see that the top part of the Rolex print is punched in the dial and as well the 'submariner print. The depth rating and OCC are added later, on top of the finished lacquer, making it possible for Rolex to print 1 dial and later modify it for their needs.

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Not many Rolex collectors are aware about the fact that the Big Crown & Small Crown versions are having the same graphics. Below you see that at this pre stamped the depth rating for small crown was used and added over the already finished lac. First Rolex service dial? (follow the link to more vintage Rolex study).

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Another interesting detail is the white surface underneath the radium plots that was added to the dial so the luminous could stick on easily. Rolex luminous is always between the gold surroundings and hardly ever will go over it, something you see with later resumed dials a lot, the luminous material is often bigger then the white plot.

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From the front hardly visible but once you turn the dial slightly you notice the infrastructure of cracks. My believe is that the dials have been stored for a long time at a dry place and that this has cracked the surface...

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Yet another example of cracked surface. This particular SCOC small crown 5508 is almost all over damaged and the grooves have become very deep...

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And another cracked one. In both 3 examples we see that the hands have also been chanced during a service by Rolex to later smaller ones, meaning that all 3 of them had a water problem back in the days and the original radium hands where chanced to later tritium ones, hence the different in color of the luminous.

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Below you can see pictures of my radium investigation I made on a early Panerai Radiomir ref 3646, the radiation from the back is 1/3th of from the front.

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Another tip besides using a geiger meter is using ultra violet light to determine the presence of radium..

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The bakelite bezel on the GMT Master ref 6542 was highly radio active. This has become a huge issue in Rolex past when a client bought his Rolex in the US and weaned to ship it out to Singapore, the government noticed the extreme radiation and started a investigation against Rolex in the US. All 600 plus examples that where sold in the US had to be tested on the presence of strontium 90.

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Below you see a official Rolex document that states that the 6542 GMT master has been tested and no violence of AEC regulations. (follow the link to more vintage Rolex study)

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Above a close up of the bakelite GMT bezel and below the GMT Master 6542 of legendary explorer next to Jacques Piccard Deepest dive, Lt. Don Walsh..

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Front radiation of a Big Crown 6538 and below the bright lightning 6 o'clock marker of a 5508 small crown under ultra violet light..

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Below you see a early Submariner which has been resumed with luminous. Not always will the Geiger meter give you 100 % proof as nowadays specialist are using old radium to relume a dial. But if you look closely you will see that the luminous is not perfectly added within the round plots, clearly not a Rolex job.

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Geiger alert on first generation Submariner...

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Big Crown 6538 forms second generation, produced in 1958 with glossy gilt dial and radium luminous...

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Original condition of a rare 369 Submariner version when it was discovered. You see the stains of oxidation on the surface, something that can easily be cleaned..

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Radium swiss Rolex ref 6234 with original luminous. All plots are perfectly shaped and color on the dial is matching the luminous of the hands, first owner find..

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The same we see in following examples, a rare waffle diales Datejust with radium luminous on dial and hands...

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A second generation Rolex small crown what got serviced early 60-ies but except the bezel insert, still has it's original dial and gilt hands...

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A early Big Crown ref 6538 minute track service dial with tritium ( Swiss - T<25 ) Different coronet and print technique..

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A 1958 Rolex Small Crown Submariner Ref 5508 with it's original bezel and spidered tropical dial. We see the humidity in the hands turned a bit green.

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A 'burned' Big Crown dial that due to humidity, dry storage and lot's of UV light chanced color and cracked in the surface..

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Below you see how the moisture the radium chanced to green spots around the luminous dots on the dial. Nobody would really care about this face unless you see the backside...

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To Sir E. Hillary from Rolex Bosecks, Calcutta ;-)

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Last version of the Big Crown dial, the luminous becomes less aggressive and much brighter then we have seen before. Also the coronet is different then the typical small & big crown version we are used to. It's more like the early 1959 Submariner 5512 ' thin fingers' coronet..

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Same much brighter almost greenish colored luminous we see on the last version of the small crown, here below 5508 SCOC 4 liner...

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Around 1962 we see the exclamation mark, the little extra dot at 6 o'clock added on top of the dial is most probably a first sign of the dial maker to show Rolex (US - Canada?) clients that radiation has been adjusted to a lower degree..

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Below you see a comparison of first generation (1953-1956) first 2, second generation ( 1957-1960) and third generation ( 1960-1962) on the far left

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The pre transitional period shows us brighter luminous, this particular small crown Ref 5508 is having a "exclamation mark" we see around 1962 (follow the link to more vintage Rolex study)

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Close up of a late minute track Submariner ref. 5512 SCOC, again we bright luminous added on the glossy dial..

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Transitional "Underline" Ref. 5512 on the left and slightly earlier minute track on the right...

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A transitional "Underline" which has been placed between Submariner & SCOC and a "White Swiss" added on top of the track. We see that the surface is slightly speckled, something thats more usual then unusual with these transitional dials. Seems like the quality was not perfect. A older dial plate used for a newer case design perhaps?

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Close up of the "White Swiss" added on top of the track..(follow the link to more vintage Rolex study)

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Fully gloss Ref 6234 chronograph dial where the "Underline" & "Anti-Magnetic" is added later. Obviously a old style dial design that got luminated with tritium.

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Side view of a 5512 SCOC "Underline dial with a close up of the tritium plots. We see they are puffy and also the white disc underneath are partly visible. The underline and SCOC text is added later on top of the lacquer, the rest of the print is punched into the dial, laying deeper..

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Yet another stunning transitional Sports Rolex, a 5512 minute track with underline, slightly earlier then the above example due to the close track.

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Other watch manufactures used similar signing for the tritium mark, these below Tornek- Rayville US had also a "moisture meter" on the dial, chancing the upper half of the circle into the same color as under half once moisture entered into the watch case. VERY clever and innovative solution to protect your watch.

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One of the very first Daytona's Rolex delivered. A 922.xxx serial "Underline" with "Double Swiss" signing ( one swiss not visible as it's located under the rehaut) The perfect voluminous tritium dots matches the color of the hands of this hardly worn exceptional rare Cosmograph..(follow the link to more vintage Rolex study)

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Explorer 1016 with of which we see the unique cracks in the glossy lacquer perfectly. You know also notice that the luminous on the markers and 3-6-9 are deeper in the dial located...

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This "Underline Explorer 1016 has a tritium radiation, less the 0.25 Msv.

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Close up of a rare service dial, one that only has a added "T" behind the radium SWISS, clearly added later and maybe a finished swiss dial that never got laminated and was used as service dial by adding the T and tritium. A Rolex service done after 1964 when international regulations forbid the use of radium.

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The "Swiss T<25" glossy tritium dial from 1964-1967....

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A overnieuw from one of the most successful references Rolex ever made, the Submariner ref 5512/3 from 1959 till mid 80-ies..

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The coming of the seventies chanced the dial surface from glossy to a modern matte surface, here a Ref 1016 Explorer with nicely aged tritium luminous. The with the previous glossy dials so matching gold print chanced with the matte dials to a modern white print..

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The more yellowish color of the tritium is cleverly visible in next experimental Rolex SeaDweller. The iconic "Single Red ref 1665". Matt dial, white print, note also that the printed DATE behind oyster perpetual is much bigger in text. The red Sea Dweller text perfectly covers the white text underneath, first examples of this legendary reference had a 500m = 1650 Ft depth rate..

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Shortly later, end 60ies, came the Red Submariner Ref 1680, of which many different version have been made.. (follow the link to more vintage Rolex study)

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A "T Swiss T" Daytona ( having 1/3 of the tritium as a more luminated Submariner or GMT ) Nicely aged dots are matching the color of the hands.

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Here we see the tritium light up under ultra violet light, shortly after you did this, the bright color will fade away and stay visible in the dark for another minute or 2.

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In daylight we see the luminous is creamy colored, once activated with UV light it become bright green.

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2 nicely aged unrestored Cosmograph's with perfect matching tritium luminous..

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Up close a detail of the structure of how a original aged tritium dots looks like, spongy.

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Around the beginning of the 70-ies we see on several Sports Rolex that the black paint of the dial changed during the years to a tropical brown tone. This was most probably due to the fact that the dial maker mixed his black color with plenty of red pigment and due to the exposure to the UV light, the black faded to brown. Something we particularly see on Meter first Red Sub's, MK2 Seadweller's and GMT Masters but also on regular 5513 Subs or Daytona's from around 1968-1972.

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A MK2 thin case Double Red Seadweller with tropical dial. The red and white paint is as usual with matte dials added on top of the dial, without any lacquer over it. On single and double Red Rolex dials we often see that the tritium luminous is very thin, sometimes even more white then creamy colored.

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A Sigma ( white gold markers around 1970) T swiss T Daytona with faded tritium dots and tropical brown sub dials

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All black sigma Daytona from first owner in untouched original condition. Perfect matching luminous shows a perfect condition of the dial..

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2 x creamy colored tritium Explorer's, both untouched and still in their original condition. All 3 belonged to Sir Edmund Hillary...

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Fat Ref 5513 matte Submariner tritium plots that are so big they touch the track on the outside...

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Ref 1665 as MK 3 DRSD on the left next to a little later by "Stern" manufactured "Rail Dial"...

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Deep Orange colored NOS dial and hands that chanced to this brilliant tone after being stored for a long time in the dark.

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2 x Rail Dial on the top, followed by a Mk2 with tropical brown dial and a Mk 4 with matt black dial...

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Close up of a naked Comex Seadweller ref 1665...

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A later ref 1680 with feet first Red Submariner with very light colored tritium...

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A Big Red Daytona Cosmograph with nicely voluminous tritium dots..

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The transitional Submariner from plexi to sapphire crystal, ref 16800 & 168000. Matt dials in modern case, with anti scratch crystal was the way forward..

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A safe queen ref 16800 that spend it's life in the dark. Note the heavy patina on the dial and tritium dot of the bezel, there where the hands typically for this reference, chanced muchness in color tone..

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I hope you've enjoyed my "The Evolution of Vintage Rolex Luminous and Dial Production". In the near future I will add more detailed information as collecting vintage Rolex is a never ending story. If you have any questions, please feel free to post here or contact me directly: info @RolexPassionReport.com

Liebe Grüsse,
Philipp

coolceys
03.09.2014, 10:45
Wahnsinns arbeit,wahnsinns post!danke

Stefan17
03.09.2014, 10:48
:verneig::verneig:
Vielen DANK !!

Sascha
03.09.2014, 10:49
Hinweis: Der Inhalt dieses Beitrags wurde auf Verlangen des Nutzers gelöscht.

usummer
03.09.2014, 10:51
Absolutely great! Many thanks.

COMEX
03.09.2014, 10:52
What a good job, P.! Thank you!

harleygraf
03.09.2014, 10:57
Super interessant - vielen Dank! Werde ich mir am Wochenende mal ganz in Ruhe anschauen.

subby
03.09.2014, 11:18
:verneig::gut:

WUM
03.09.2014, 11:21
sehr interessant :gut:


Gruss



Wum

Perseus
03.09.2014, 11:38
Thanks for the research Philipp, very interesting findings.

siebensieben
03.09.2014, 11:50
Sehr interessant, Danke für die Mühe! Und das muss man sich mal in einer ruhigen Minute ansehen.

WUM
03.09.2014, 11:55
mal eine Frage am Rande...

1665 die haben eine Dichtung oben. Wieso? was dichtet die genau
haben 55xx oder 1680 die auch??

thx :dr:



Wum

Knipser
03.09.2014, 11:56
Ich muss mir das alles noch mal mit mehr Zeit ansehen aber jetzt schon vielen Dank für den Thread.

Mr Mille Gauss
03.09.2014, 12:13
Hello Philipp,

Great :top:! Thank you!

philipp
03.09.2014, 12:21
mal eine Frage am Rande...

1665 die haben eine Dichtung oben. Wieso? was dichtet die genau
haben 55xx oder 1680 die auch??

thx :dr:

Wum

Du meinst das Helium Ventil der Ref 1665 mit Dichtung? Die Seadweller war tiefer wasserdicht, bis 600-610M und hatte daher, zum Vergleich mit der 5512/13 & 1680, die beide biss 200 meter geprüft sind, ein Helium Ventil das Rolex damals getestet hatte bei Tiefsee Taucher ab mitte 60-er Jahren. Hier eins der allerersten Varianten, damals noch mit 500m = 1650FT:

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bevor Sie später bei der Comex biss 600M gingen:

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und lätstlich in der normal Production auf 610Meter:

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Ciao!

Soeckefeld
03.09.2014, 12:24
da leuchten die Augen! :gut:

vonF
03.09.2014, 12:37
Sehr interessant, herzlichen herzlichen Dank!

hallolo
03.09.2014, 12:58
Eine Wahnsinnsarbeit und ein Wahnsinnswissen. danke fürs Teilen.

rlxdaytona
03.09.2014, 13:09
da bin ich echt begeistert Philipp.....vielen Dank.....:verneig::verneig::verneig:

WUM
03.09.2014, 13:21
nein... ;)

ich meinte Dichtungen oben, Glasseite... das 5514 und 1665 Heliumventil besitzen ist mir bekannt


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WUm

backröding
03.09.2014, 13:43
Ui, klasse!!:gut:
Das muss ich aber am Abend noch einmal in Ruhe lesen.

AusMaastricht
03.09.2014, 13:51
nein... ;)

ich meinte Dichtungen oben, Glasseite... das 5514 und 1665 Heliumventil besitzen ist mir bekannt


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WUm

Die Dichtung gibt es auch bei Submariner. Unterhalb Lünette und Glashaltering.

Erinnerst dich wol nicht mehr an dieses Malheur-5513 (http://www.r-l-x.de/forum/showthread.php/121706-Malheur-5513) ;)

@Philipp: Top weer! Bedankt! :gut:

eos
03.09.2014, 13:56
Awesome Philipp, great work: :verneig:

WUM
03.09.2014, 14:13
...ja aber weiso?? ;)



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Wum

AusMaastricht
03.09.2014, 14:36
...ja aber weiso?? ;)



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Wum

Na ja, frühere Subs (die bis 200m) hatten diese Dichtung noch nicht.

http://rolexpassionreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/RPR_2xpointed.jpg

Ich würde deshalb sagen: bessere Wasserdichtigkeit.

WUM
03.09.2014, 14:42
...wieso wieso wieso..??



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Wum

TheLupus
03.09.2014, 14:52
Klasse! :verneig:

CHT
03.09.2014, 15:22
unglaublich :gut:

WUM
03.09.2014, 15:40
...da dichtet also Diese Dichtung nur die Dichtung des dichtens wegen??? :rofl: wer hat sich das denn ausgedacht...??



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Wum

Atomos
03.09.2014, 18:22
Wirklich spannende Lektüre und großartige Fotos! :gut:

Danke Philipp.

PVH
03.09.2014, 20:00
VERY VERY INTERESTING!
Thanks for sharing! :gut:

Subluca
03.09.2014, 21:52
Großes Kino danke :-)

Rolstaff
03.09.2014, 22:27
SUPER !!!

LUuhrENS
03.09.2014, 23:19
Alle Achtung, toller Post :gut: und vielen Dank für deine Mühe :gut:

Mister B
04.09.2014, 06:35
Hammer, was ein Beitrag :verneig: Danke:gut:

SteveHillary
04.09.2014, 10:34
Vielen Dank Philipp!!! SENSATIONELL

philipp
04.09.2014, 11:31
Herzlichen Dank :verneig::verneig:

Ich finde es super das ihr meine Muhe schätzt :gut: Hoffentlich habt ihr alle was davon :winkewinke:

http://rolexpassionreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/RPR_18xsub2.jpg

Philipp

EX-OMEGA
04.09.2014, 11:42
Lieben Dank auch von mir Philipp :verneig:

Mr. Subby
04.09.2014, 12:21
Klasse, Philipp. Wie schon dein vorheriger Bericht absolut zu empfehlen.:gut:

Calimero
04.09.2014, 18:53
Sehr interessant !
Danke!

ehemaliges mitglied
04.09.2014, 20:50
Danke !!!

Georgio1962
05.09.2014, 07:14
So, jetzt habe ich die Abhandlung endlich komplett gelesen (und wieder dazugelernt):

Outstanding Job, Philipp! Vielen Dank! :dr:

Dongue
05.09.2014, 08:02
Top Job! :gut:

newharry
05.09.2014, 08:13
:gut:

Bildverarbeiter
06.09.2014, 20:07
Hi Philipp, vielen Dank. Ich rate aber, ein Castor zu verwenden, wenn Du zum nächsten Vintage Treffen fährst!

superolli
06.09.2014, 23:12
Awesome. Danke!

Janufer
07.09.2014, 09:21
Was soll man noch sagen Philipp? As always...TOP!

Grüsse Jan