16800 (0)

[unknown]

Hi,
I'm new to this forum but I've been arouns uite a lot on other watch websites.

Yesterday I searched on all treads onthis site concerning the 168000 because I'm intrested in this piece. Looks like this is the reference most Rolex owners or collectors don't even know.

2 people did agree on the rarity of this watch. One of them (Kristian)claimed it was in production for only about 9 months while another said it was longer in production 3 or maybe 4 years.

The last person showed a picture with a early 9 million number which would mean that it was made in 1985.
Kristian replied and begun talking about fake extra zero ...

I would want to know if somebody has a 16800 wit a serial number between 9.xxx.xxx and 9.750.xxx

Maybe not all subs from 85 till 89 had the extra zero. Maybe only 10 or 15 % were 168000, and the rest were normal 16800

Or Kristian is right and they were only produced 9 months.


Anyway, it is a very rare reference number.


I made a poll on another forum and asked which Rolex date the people had.

This was the result
1680 white 7 = 11%
1680 red 13 = 21%
16800 5 = 8%
168000 1 = 2%
16610 lug holes 13 = 21%
16610 without lugholes 24 = 38%


Conclusion, IT IS VERY RARE

[mikemaster]

Das ist jetzt aber hoffentlich keine Werbemaßnahme für das entsprechende Angebot im SC oder ?!

[Masta_Ace]

Die 168000 dürfte 2 Jahre lang gebaut worden sein.

[marchitecture]

Was solls, sie hat eh das falsche Blatt, sonst waere sie laengst weg...

I have a 168000 in my small collection, the no. is R5xxxxx and its from 1987. the nine month period seems to be the most common theory, but it is Rolex, so nobody knows for sure!
I have seen pieces with 9mio no, since the production of 168000 was 1987 and th echange in the system occurred in the same year this makes sense...

The additional Zero engraved in the case is normally easy to spot, since it is quite different from the original factory job. Most of the times it is not even with the other numbers, deeper and the edges are not as smooth... take your time to look at it closely!

there are a few around these days, prices vary from 3200 to 3600 euros even without papers, but as usual demand creates the market and people are ready to part for certain prices...

good luck, and don't hesitate to post fotos

marc

P.S. why do you hide behind unknown?

[unknown]

unknown ...
Well, it's just a screenname I use on several watch related sites like TZ, thepurists, newturfers, ...

People on those sites know my name is Bruno and I'm from Belgium

[mikemaster]

Na Belgien liegt ja schon auf dem Weg nach Großbritannien ;) Aber trotzdem: Willkommen.

[Hªªgen]

I am somewhat puzzled why a 9 million Rolex would be dated to 1985? And R-serial to 1987. Pls. fill me in here, have I totally misunderstood Rolex and the catalogues?

As far as I know: The 16610 was introduced in 1989, the 168000 was the transitional between 16800 and 16610. R-serial was introduced in 1989. From my info directly from Rolex Geneva the 168000 was in production between medio 1988 and early 1989. The first generation 16610 had pre-fix "R"...as the next had L...as in R...L...E...X...(no O-series).

My first 168000 was 9 mill complete with papers dating from Danish AD from 1988. My current is early R-serial, however without papers.

I quote from one of many subjects on the 16610 intro:

"in 1989, the Submariner Date received its last update, and became the reference 16610 (still in use as the current Submariner Date in 2005). "

From http://www.vintagesubmariner.com/

"By 1989 the present model, the ref. no. 16610 replaced the 16800."
From http://home20.inet.tele.dk/rolex/gb_submariner_5513_supp.htm

"In 1989, the current 16610 was introduced".
From http://www.bernardwatch.com/content/rolex/models.cfm

"1989: Die Rolex Submariner (Ref. 16610) wird mit einer einseitig rastenden Drehlünette ausgestattet."
From http://www.rruegger.ch/dive_watch_history.htm

"Le modèle actuel 16610 fait son apparition en 1989 avec le calibre 3135."
From www.lacotesdemontres.com

But, again, as somebody mentioned...it´s older Rolex we´re talking about and errors may occur. However, we´re not talking THAT old.

[Volvoman]

"Was solls, sie hat eh das falsche Blatt, sonst waere sie laengst weg..."

Thanks for the profound CRAP you post. Who are you to determine if the dial is correct?? Solche Aussagen *****n mich an!!! People like you ruin it for others on this board which is otherwise very good...armchair experts hiding behind their keyboards!!

NOW TELL ME WHY THE DIAL IS WRONG?????????????????

[arndt]

Original von Volvoman
NOW TELL ME WHY THE DIAL IS WRONG?????????????????

Das würde mich auch brennend interessieren!

Das Blatt ist absolut ock.

[ehemaliges mitglied]

Original von arndt

Original von Volvoman
NOW TELL ME WHY THE DIAL IS WRONG?????????????????

Das würde mich auch brennend interessieren!

Das Blatt ist absolut ock.

IMHO auch, so eine Aussage ohne Begründung ist eh nichts Wert.

Gruß,
István

[ehemaliges mitglied]

solche aussagen sollten genau überlegt sein...wenn man sich nicht sicher ist, lieber nix sagen, noch dazu wenns um ein angebot aus dem SC hier geht und ein member betroffen ist...gäbe ja auch die möglichkeit sowas per PN nichtöffentlich zu diskutieren...

also: warum ist das ZB falsch

[Hannes]

Vielleicht will er ja mit seiner Aussage...

Original von marchitecture
Was solls, sie hat eh das falsche Blatt, sonst waere sie laengst weg...

... nur sagen, dass sie mit dem matten Blatt schon längst weg wäre.
(Was nicht bedeutet, dass diese Uhr ein falsches Blatt hat)

So habe ich das aufgefasst.

Äääähm. Versteht jemand was ich meine? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/a015.gif

[doctor4speed]

das würde mih auch interessieren....warum ist das blatt nicht echt ???

der preis ist nicht ok aber das sit eine ander story und es ist die entscheidung von jedem selbst den zu akzteptieren oder nicht !!!

[Volvoman]

eure Meinung nach? Bin neugierig da ich auch vernünftig anbieten möchte...den guten Board-membern halber! ;)
Best wishes, JB

[ehemaliges mitglied]

Original von Hannes
Vielleicht will er ja mit seiner Aussage...

Original von marchitecture
Was solls, sie hat eh das falsche Blatt, sonst waere sie laengst weg...

... nur sagen, dass sie mit dem matten Blatt schon längst weg wäre.
(Was nicht bedeutet, dass diese Uhr ein falsches Blatt hat)

So habe ich das aufgefasst.

Äääähm. Versteht jemand was ich meine? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/a015.gif

ja, das kann sein, guter gedanke :gut:, dann ist es nur etwas mißverständlich formuliert und aufgefasst worden...

[PCS]

Sehe ich genau so.

[Kiki Lamour]

finde den preis gar ned soo übel, immerhin ist sie selten...

[Volvoman]

aber ich höre ja gerne anderen zu ;) Cheers guys, JB

[unknown]

is it possible to make a poll on this site? I would like to ask the same question.
Which sub date do you have (more than 1 answer must be possible)
I'm pretty sure that more people have a red sub than a 168000

The 168000 is imo very, very rare.

The only problem is that you can't see it's a 168000 without removing the bracelet.
People are willing to pay more for a red sub because everybody can see the red writing. This is imo pure snobbism.
Nothing wrong with the red sub ofcourse but if it comes to rarity the 168000 might be more important.

Talking about red writing ... Within I few days I'll have a 5513 gold writing "gilt dial' with a little small gilt line under the word submariner.
Pretty rare too :)
Pictures will follow within a few days

[arndt]

lol, I'm a snob :D

[unknown]

Once I'll be one too :)
Don't have a red sub yet but this will change.

[marchitecture]

Volvoman!

Abgesehen von der PN die auf dich wartet, einen Rat:

erst Hirn einschalten, dann schreiben, OK?

Wenn du genau hinschaust, schreibe ich, wie Hannes es richtig gedeutet hat, "das falsche Blatt" aka nicht das matte ohne WG!

Das Blatt ist sicherlich echt, sowie deine Uhr echt ist. Fuer Vintage-Fans gehen die matten eben vor!

Und deinen Unmut darueber,dass du deine Uhr noch nicht verkauft hast, laesst du am besten im Fitnessstudio aus! Anstatt hier Mitglieder zu beleidigen. Mir passt dein Ton ueberhaupt nicht, und deine schwachsinnige Bemerkung im SC wuerde ich ganz schnell loeschen!

idS
Marc

[Volvoman]

Dein PN war ja recht zivil. Ich würde dir raten mal zu überlegen mit wem du dich da anlegen willst my friend.. ;)

Übrigens, habe bei diesem Posting mein Gehirn eingeschaltet...

Anyway you are the GURU - matt dials means vintage LOL!
Cheers,
JB

[Hannes]

...und den Rest macht bitte unter Euch per PN aus ;)

Danke =)

[Hªªgen]

Maybe I misunderstood the contents of the post from the person saying Jürgens 168000 has a "wrong" dial. But a matte dial on a late 16800? Nope, doesn't work. So there´s no need for a "wrong dial" shout out as a matte dial would be dead wrong on a 9 mill. serial 16800 and evenmore so on a 168000. The 168000 was only fitted with the WG glossy version. Period.

[Hannes]

That´s not true.
Even the 168000 came out with the matte dial.

http://pics.r-l-x.de/userfiles/hannes/16800/Rfax800.jpg

[Hannes]

And here it is:


Rolex Submariner Date
Ref. 168000 (Sog. Zwischenreferenz)
Kaliber 3035
Glas: Saphir
Serien-Nr.: 9378xxx
Kaufdatum: 18.11.1986
Listenpreis: 2950,- DM
Band-Refernez: 93150
Band-Anstoß: 593
Box-Ref.: 11.02.2
Sonstiges: ZB noch ohne WG Indexe aber schon Saphirglas



http://pics.r-l-x.de/./userfiles/hannes/Bernd/168001.JPG

http://pics.r-l-x.de/./userfiles/hannes/Bernd/168002.JPG

http://pics.r-l-x.de/./userfiles/hannes/Bernd/168003.JPG

[ehemaliges mitglied]

Danke Hannes, endlich eine klare Aussage von Rolex bezüglich dieses Blattdiskussion!

Gruß,
István

[roland]

Toll Hannes !!

Danke!! :gut: :gut:

[Hªªgen]

This changes all info I have had from Rolex Geneva. Completely. This is indeed fantastic news and I am very grateful to be corrected by one who should know and a person that knows how to do his research.

I will change all the written info I have on the 168000 and refer to this fanatstic news.

Truely appreciate this and will even make sure this info fvrom Rolex Gemany is delieverd to my source at Rolex.

Fantastic.

[unknown]

But still one of my questions remains unaswered ...

If this one is from end 1986, they might have been 2 years in production and not 9 months.

Could it be that they made 16800 and 168000 from 1986 till 1988 ??
For example 10% of them were the 168000 and 90% were the 16800.

Does somebody owns a 16800 which wes made in 1986 - 1987 - 1988 ?

[Hªªgen]

My info from Rolex Geneva on the extra zero was due to the transistion of metal alloy cases that was introduced for the 16610. Why would the 168000(alloy 904L cases be sold for three years (1986-1989) along with the normal run of the mill 16800? I am pretty curious to know more. As of now, my 168000 knowledge is back to square one.

Rolex – learning everyday.

[Rob]

Original von unknown

Does somebody owns a 16800 which wes made in 1986 - 1987 - 1988 ?

Yes i have a 16800 from 1988/ Ja, ich habe eine 16800 aus 1988/ Ja ik heb een 16800 uit 1988 ;)

Greetings/Gruss/Groeten Rob

[unknown]

Thanks Rob, this makes the whole 168000 history even more impenetrable