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Thema: HELP - Classic 1928-1932
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08.01.2008, 17:01 #1ehemaliges mitgliedGast
HELP - Classic 1928-1932
Hallo Everyone
Am new to the forum
Have inherited a Rolex from my Family in England I live in Switzerland.
Octagonal - 9 carat Gold No. 45278/815 built according to Bucherer Schwitzerland - 1928-1932. Looks similar to a "Prince", but no model in the Interet has the same face and even the shape has sharper edges than most of the octagonal watches.
I shall include a picture as soon as I can discover how to do so.
Can anyone help me please? Thanks
Timbo
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08.01.2008, 18:13 #2ehemaliges mitgliedGast
Help Identify 1928-1932
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08.01.2008, 18:37 #3ehemaliges mitgliedGast
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08.01.2008, 20:12 #4ehemaliges mitgliedGast
RE: Help Identify 1928-1932
Well...
To be on the safe side you also need to post pictures of the movement and case interior.
The dial is redone, so inside may be anything, Rolex or non-Rolex!
In the case is a Rolex case, the production year could be 1937. As it seems to be gold, the inside has to have hallmarks which enable the dating additional to the serial number.
Bye
Marko
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08.01.2008, 22:00 #5ehemaliges mitgliedGast
RE: Help Identify 1928-1932
The whole watch was renovated by Piguet (receipt on record), recommended by Rolex. The case is 9 ct gold and the the watchmaker at Bucherer in the Bahnhofstrasse in Zürich confirmed on Sturday that the workings are in excellent condition. Piguet and Bucherer's assessment was that it dartes from 1932. I cannot find a "Prince" model to compare - either from the case shape or the dial.
Can you make any suggestions?
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08.01.2008, 22:22 #6ehemaliges mitgliedGast
Definitely it's not a Prince model...
But recangular watches have been around quite a lot.
Bye
Marko
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08.01.2008, 22:55 #7ehemaliges mitgliedGast
RE: Help Identify 1928-1932
Herewith the internal shots.
As you can see it is a 15 jewel movement.
The case Info shows an F and upside down F stamp plus " Rolex 20 World records. Also an R.W.CLtd imprint and the 9 carat stamp
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08.01.2008, 23:01 #8ehemaliges mitgliedGast
Thanks Marko
Have posted more photos to help
Gruss Tim
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08.01.2008, 23:14 #9
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Welcome Timbo - I will leave it to the forum members who have more expertise than I with watches of that vintage to help you.
John B. Holbrook, II
OWNER - LUXURY TYME: The Rolex Reference Page
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08.01.2008, 23:30 #10ehemaliges mitgliedGast
Not a problem I am English....
Am still trying to get behind the Hallmarks and to decipher which is Swiss and which (since i got it from England) is possibly British
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09.01.2008, 17:30 #11
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The hallmarks are not easy to read...
but it is a 9ct gold Glasgow "import" hallmark.
If the letter to the right of the two "f"s (below the "Ltd" in the RWC signature) is an "L", the watch dates from 1934. If it is an "I", this would date to 1931...
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09.01.2008, 17:55 #12ehemaliges mitgliedGast
RE: The hallmarks are not easy to read...
Hey Mike brilliant, Thanks
Thanks. It is an "I" so 1931 then. Are the two interliked F's the Import Hallmark for Glasgow?
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09.01.2008, 18:28 #13
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Yes...
the two "f"s are the Glasgow mark.
However, it is interesting to note the case is double-hallmarked!
The strange "crossed M" at the top of the case is a Dublin import hallmark, and the date letter "m" indicates a date of 1927!
This would suggest the case was first hallmarked in Ireland in 1927, and then re-assayed when the watch was imported into Scotland...
Unusual... but not a great price-clincher to make it more valuable...
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09.01.2008, 18:45 #14
RE: Yes...
Mike, you´re awesome!
Alright stop! Collaborate and listen.
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09.01.2008, 19:56 #15ehemaliges mitgliedGast
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09.01.2008, 20:24 #16
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Lol
far from "awesome"...
but very happy to have cleared this up!!
:-)
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10.01.2008, 07:56 #17ehemaliges mitgliedGast
Model Identification
Hi to you all
I am still trying to get confirmation on the Model.
Bert from the German Forum is of the opinion that it may be "a 2613 with 10-1/2 " Hunter-"Prima"- movement
Can anyone confirm this? Or does anyone have other ideas??
Thanks again
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10.01.2008, 20:19 #18
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Model reference
is an 815 (the lower of the two numbers on the outside caseback. I will check my 1920s Rolex dealer's catalogue tomorrow to see if it's shown...
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10.01.2008, 22:12 #19ehemaliges mitgliedGast
RE: Model reference
Wonderful. I really do appreciate it
Thanks
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10.01.2008, 22:37 #20ehemaliges mitgliedGast
I'm not british, but from my investigations the Hallmark for Glasgow is "tree with a fish and a bird" also for the year 1931 the shield for the letter has the wrong type. (compare here)
As import hallmark for Dublin I also only found a different one (compare here).
Anyway, as it is an original Rolex case it doesn't matter, the serial is dating the watch to 1938. So both mentioned import hallmarks would have been applied before production.
The reference hould be 815, but I have no pictures to compare. A scheme for Ref. 515 is quite similar and can be found in the apendix of Gordon, Rolex, timeless elegance.
Bye
Marko
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